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Grief and Hope (NC-17) Print

Written by Minx

21 April 2013 | 40330 words | Work in Progress

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Chapter 2

Aragorn groaned silently. This would surely count as one of the worst council meetings he had sat through. First, there had been a completely unnecessary discourse on turnips, and then a long but necessary discussion on the corsairs. They had arrived at some useful decisions though. But then after that they had started discussing the taxes. It was too much for one meeting, he thought in annoyance. He could see a similar emotion reflected in Denethor’s visage.

It was to have been simple. They were to announce a slight increase in some levies for the next two months. His lords and councilors however rarely believed in simplicity. Most of them had not even read the reports or papers sent to them two days earlier so they could have all the information they needed, instead of needing it all explained to them.

While the riverland lords sought to magnify the corsair problem, seeking more than was required to tackle it, the other lords failed to comprehend the seriousness of the issue altogether.

“It is completely unnecessary,” the lord of Lebenin was stating, “We have adequate ship strength to fight the corsairs. To build more suddenly as a precaution is not required. Surely we can wait till the coffers are fuller? And were we not just last week discussing that the rebuilding effort is imposing a strain on the carpenter’s guild? Surely building new ships right now would only increase the strain upon them? “

Faramir stepped in suddenly, “We could look at an alternative to building more ships sire. You are signing a new treaty with the Haradrim. They build light boats that moved very speedily upriver. Could we not purchase some of these from them and try using them against the corsairs for now?”

“From the Haradrim?” the lord of Pelargir inquired incredulously, “You suggest we use the help of the Haradrim to fight the Corsairs. That we trust them so highly? And to use light boats instead of our larger, more powerful ships? I realise you’d hurt your arm, my lord and that keeps you out of active service, but you sound more like you hurt your head!”

Faramir flushed an ugly shade of red at that. An uncomfortable silence reigned briefly, until Aragorn decided to step in.

“That’s enough, my lords. I suggest we discuss this again on the morrow, once you have all had a chance to think more on this.”

Aragorn sighed and sat back after the last of the councilors had left. Denethor waited for the door to close before handing him a goblet of wine.

“I thought we would never get over with that,” Aragorn sighed, “I have seen more conviviality among fisherwomen!”

“Boromir used to call them old crones in his more charitable moments,” Denethor said with a small smile.

Aragorn smiled briefly in response. He could well imagine Boromir making a statement like that. Boromir would have had little patience with the long, fruitless discussions they had had today. Aragorn had also not missed the strange, almost wistful tone in the older man’s voice or the ensuing discomfort he clearly sought to hide. He changed the subject hurriedly.

“The Haradric envoy shall be here in a few months, and there is yet much to be done on the treaties.”

“The scribes have started on their work already,” Denethor said reassuringly, “Though I’m afraid there is a lot to be done by us as well. There are many of their new laws that need to be studied. And there are many of those old treaties we spoke of that can be of use.”

Aragorn nodded, “Yes that would involve a lot of work. My foster brothers have messengers arriving from Imladris. I had asked them to bring me some documents that I recollect Elrond had which could be of help.”

They spoke cursorily of other matters, and Aragorn extended his invitation to dinner.

It was as Denethor was leaving that he remembered he needed to invite Faramir too. And then recollected something else.

“Perhaps Faramir could help out with the work on the treaties?” he suggested, “that was an interesting idea he had about the light boats. He is already helping with the reports on the Ithilien reconstruction work isn’t he?”

“Yes, that might be a good idea. He has little else to do,” Denethor’s voice seemed a little hard as he spoke, “And it is about time he made himself useful, anyhow.”


Faramir made his way towards his chambers tiredly rubbing his aching shoulder. He had overdone his sword practice earlier that morning, and had strained his injured shoulder. The pain had bothered him all morning and he found himself gritting his teeth in embarrassment as he remembered the incident at the council. His sudden movement had resulted in a stabbing pain in his shoulder and it had taken all his self-control to not scream out. He had asked for hot water to be sent up earlier and he hoped that would relieve some of the pain.

The injury he had received from a Haradrim dart during the final days of the war had turned out to be worse than suspected earlier, enough to pull him out of active duty with the Rangers. He could barely use a bow. He could still wield a sword although not as well as earlier, and had decided to work on that instead.

He lowered himself into the tub, bending his knees awkwardly to fit himself into it. The water was tepid by now. The council had lasted longer than expected. He sighed and tried to stretch back and instead and think of something other than the council. He was as yet still getting used to taking his post on the council; he had rarely attended earlier, being away in Ithilien more often. Boromir had been a more regular attendee in his position as Captain General.

He closed his eyes and leaned back, planning out the rest of his day. He still had much of the paperwork on the Rangers left to do. He would need to hand those over to his successor. There was much more than he had anticipated. And there were more reports he needed to work on for the council, including a very lengthy and detailed one on the land distribution in Ithilien. They were going to start work on restoring Ithilien and Faramir had found himself volunteering to help on all the initial paperwork.

He had been glad to do so though. Ever since he’d had to resign his captaincy his days had become increasingly monotonous. The injured arm ensured he could not practice more than an hour each day, and the few friends he had had in the city were all back with their troops, leaving him with little to do but attend the councils, and spend time in the archives, reading for them. There was much the council needed to debate so soon after the war, and Faramir knew that as one of the younger, inexperienced members of the council, he would need to be well prepared for all that was to be discussed. Denethor in particular tended to be a little sarcastic with anyone who sat at the meetings without having read the papers prepared for the discussions. His irritation had been only too clear that morning. Faramir had little doubt that were he to appear ill equipped for a meeting, Denethor would not refrain from castigating him in front of the entire council. He had found that reading reports on the older councils helped too. It was how he had found notes of an older council where the Haradrim light boats had been discussed. That had not gone down well though, he thought, tiredly. But then little he suggested at the councils went down well, barring perhaps some ideas on the Ithilien restoration work, since it was of little relevance to most councillors.

Once the restoration work started, he thought, perhaps he could look at renovating his own hunting lodge there. He found he felt increasingly uncomfortable staying in his father’s house. Denethor’s few monosyllabic conversations with him were reduced to none now. He rarely even acknowledged Faramir’s presence in the room. Even at dinner, he would converse entirely with Andreth. Faramir had contemplated taking his meals alone in his own chambers, but Denethor did not approve of that either. Denethor approved of little he did these days.

He had sought his father after the Steward had returned from the war. By then, he too had been released from the healers’ care. He had been tired still and sore, and aching from the constant reminders of loss that he saw around the city, and unable to sleep. It was late into the night and his father was still at work. His father was finalizing troop allocations, he recollected, reassigning duties among the troops to help rebuild the city. It must be tiring, he’d thought. Normally Boromir would have taken care of anything to do with the troops.

“Father,” he had said softly to the older man, taking in the worn features, “I’ve brought some wine.”

“Why are you here?” Denethor asked coldly.

“I thought perhaps… you would like some wine. It is late and… and I thought perhaps if you needed help -”

“I do not require any help from you,” Denethor said, and turned back to his papers, “I have not required it earlier, nor do I now.”

“You had Boromir to help you,” Faramir replied softly, “Let me –”

“You are not Boromir,” Denethor interrupted sharply, “And you never will be. Do not seek to him replace him ever. Leave now.”

“I- I do not seek to be Boromir. Nor do I wish to replace him. I merely… I – just wanted to tell you, that I could help you his stead in aught you require.”

“In his stead? Do you truly think I would make you my heir? The heir to the Stewardship is Andreth, and I intend to ensure all know that. I let you live here, that is enough!”

“I didn’t –” Faramir started.

“Leave!” Denethor commanded.

Denethor did indeed after that often refer to Andreth as his heir. To Faramir, he referred not at all, if he could.

He had thought of living elsewhere, away from the citadel, and away from Denethor’s disapproval and annoyance. But Denethor had, sticking to his word, made all their townhouses and apartments in the city Andreth’s. All he had by way of property was the old hunting lodge in Ithilien and some lands in Dol Amroth left to him by his mother’s father. He had therefore decided instead to have the hunting lodge restored. It would at least let him get away from the city for a few days every now and then.

Initially Denethor had still spoken to him regularly, mostly to scold him. Faramir had been embarrassed at first as Denethor had often shouted at him in front of Andreth or even the servants over the tiniest of matters, criticising him over all his weaknesses, but later had come to expect it. It was all Denethor spoke to him.

Despite Denethor’s angered words that night, Faramir found he did have to help his father with his work. While the Steward had not actually requested his help, he had instead suggested often and loudly, and sometimes publicly, in the acerbic tone he reserved for the dullest of his councilors, that Faramir make himself useful in some other way now that he was of little use in the field. Faramir had refrained from pointing out that he had always offered help.

Faramir pulled himself out of his reverie, sighing tiredly and rose. The water was nearly cold now, and had done little to help his shoulder.


Aragorn found Faramir in the archives, later that evening, looking through some books. He looked surprised to see Aragorn there but then smiled a little shyly in greeting, and then turned back to the books. Aragorn noticed the tips of his ears had reddened again.

“Faramir,” he spoke pleasantly, “I was looking for you.”

Faramir turned to him, surprised, “You were looking for me, sire?” he repeated.

“Would you join us tomorrow for supper?” Aragorn asked.

Faramir stared at the king blankly, until he realised what he’d been asked.

“Supper?” he repeated again.

“Yes we’re inviting some friends over.”

“Friends?” Faramir said softly. Aragorn wondered why he was repeating each word.

“I’ve already informed your father. And I’ve asked him to bring Andreth along. The boy is old enough now,” he said smiling.

Faramir nodded at that, and after the king had left mulled over their conversation slowly. He found himself almost childishly elated as he recollected the king saying that they had chosen to invite some friends over.

Elessar was a well-liked ruler. They had spoken little in all these days, but in the little they had spoken, Faramir had found himself liking the king greatly. He was brave and intelligent and could be as good with a sword as he was with a quill. And Faramir knew he owed his life to the king’s healing. He often remembered waking to the cool sensation of the king’s soft hands over his fevered brow and chest. He had opened his eyes and found himself drawn into the intensity of the king’s gaze, and felt strangely awed and pleasant and had smiled up at the king.

And now the king considered him a friend! He found just recollecting the conversation in the archives left him feeling warm and liked inside. Even Denethor’s frowning visage at the dinner table and his curt instructions to help the scribes did not remove the pleasant feeling.

For the first time in many weeks, he finally had a full night of sleep, undisturbed by dark dreams of black riders, war cries or black waves. Instead he was mortified and surprised to find himself waking up the next morning, wet and sticky and with a pleasant lingering memory of the hazy twilight in which Elessar had spoken to him, held him and healed him.


Faramir dressed hurriedly, pulling on an old grey outfit. He had been delayed at the archives while searching for some old reports, and had not noticed the time. The council in the morning had stretched interminably, leaving everyone fractious and irritated. Faramir had decided to avoid lunching at his father’s table and had some bread and mead in the archives instead.

He entered the large room in the king’s apartments, looking around curiously. He had never seen this wing of the citadel before.

Denethor stared at him in annoyance as he entered after all the others had arrived. The queen appeared to be frowning a little too. They had started serving wine, he realised embarrassed. He noticed Andreth standing by the hearth. He looked at the younger man and felt a short catch in his throat. The boy was dressed in black and grey and white, and wore a miniature brooch shaped as the white tree around his throat. It was one Boromir had worn as young soldier and passed on to his son later.

He helped himself to some wine quietly and found himself a place by the window where he could rest his back against the wall. Around him the conversation had continued uninterrupted, and he found himself listening to snatches of talk.

“You look unwell, my lord,’” The queen said to the Steward concernedly, “What ails you?”

Faramir turned towards his father and glanced at him, taking in the tired lines in the older man’s face. He bit his lip worriedly. The Steward had been angry at the councillors in the afternoon but the weariness in his expression seemed to have some other cause.

“It is nothing. I am well, as well as a man my age may be,” his father replied softly.

“You are unhappy,” the queen replied, her voice barely carrying across to him.

“Forgive me,” Denethor said tiredly, “I am not good company some days. I grow older and find myself being wishful. But tell me, how does Eldarion fare? He grows quickly I see.”

Faramir suddenly realised he knew the cause of his father’s deep sadness. The day of Boromir’s passing on was nearing. He turned away unhappily, and watched the others around him instead, standing in small clusters, talking amongst each other.

The queen’s brothers were present, stern and tall and beautiful, so alike in looks that he could still sometimes not tell them apart. Legolas and Gimli were also there. They were talking to Elessar who glanced towards him and smiled in greeting. He smiled back in return, and decided to move forward and speak to the king. He should thank him properly for being invited after all. But the king seemed quite engrossed in his conversation and Faramir did not want to interrupt. Everyone seemed quite engrossed in their little conversations. He stayed by the window drinking his wine slowly.

They sat down at the long table to dine soon. He was seated between Gimli and Andreth. Elessar sat at the other end of the table talking to Denethor. Dinner was just as quiet for Faramir. Gimli spent the time talking solely to Legolas and by his other side Andreth barely even glanced at his uncle, beyond a nod in greeting. Instead he chatted cheerfully with Lord Elrohir about his weapons training. Denethor had earlier that month gifted him one of Boromir’s old swords and his own shield, much to his delight and pride. When they began to speak of lightbows and archery, Faramir listened in with interest and contemplated joining in their talk, particularly when he heard lord Elrohir describe the lighter elven bows they used on horseback, but found himself shying away from actually speaking. The rangers used lightbows as well, and he thought he would tell Andreth of those later. The lad seemed interested in them.

Andreth was everything Boromir was, he thought wistfully, as he listened to the younger man’s clear voice. Like his brother he could get along with anyone. He was intelligent, confident and already appeared to have the strength required in a soldier.

Faramir ate in a miserable silence, realising with increasing unhappiness that he seemed incapable of conversing with anyone at this table. Boromir would never have been so awkward and out of place. Next to him Andreth chatted. He picked at his food listlessly and helped himself to some more of the strong, sweet wine served with dinner, letting the hum of conversation wash over his tired mind. He remained lost in thought, not really listening, even when Legolas recited a particularly funny story that had everyone laughing aloud, even Denethor.


When they returned home later, Denethor smiled slightly as he wished Andreth a good night, and dropped a kiss on the boy’s forehead.

“You looked so fine and smart! And I know you enjoyed yourself. I’m very proud of you!”

He then turned to Faramir and bade him gruffly to see him in his study.

Faramir followed him into the large, draughty room, hoping it would not take long. He felt a little tired, the wine combining with his limited eating at lunch and dinner to leave him with a dull headache. The wine had relaxed him a little though, so perhaps he could sleep easier tonight. He wondered what Denethor might want and was unsurprised to hear him ask on the progress of his researches on the old trade treaties.

Faramir didn’t bother explaining that he had been working at it for barely a day. His father had little patience with excuses. He started speaking of what he had worked on after the council, and before he’d realised he was late for the king’s dinner.

“Is that all you’ve done since yesterday?” Denethor asked, frowning, “I thought I told you this was important work. Instead you leave it half-done! I expected little else from you, though! It is a good thing we have the scribes working on this as well. They have managed to do a lot more than you have.”

Faramir felt his face flush a little, but accepted the curt words without argument. Arguments would only worsen his father’s fraying temper.

“You may leave now,” Denethor said.

As Faramir turned to leave, he remembered Andreth’s conversation with Lord Elrohir.

“Father,” he broached softly as he stood at the door.

Denethor grunted in annoyance.

“I thought perhaps, since Andreth has begun his weapons training, he might find my bow useful?” he spoke hurriedly. Denethor rarely gave him an opportunity to speak, “ It is lighter than the infantry bows and he will find it easier to use, and perhaps I could help with his archery training.”

“And you wish he would grow into one as weak as you?” Denethor asked, in a sneering tone.

Faramir stared at him, and then began to explain, “Nay it is lighter yes but-”

“I would not have Andreth grow into one such as you, ever hiding away from the frontlines. As for you training him, what can you teach him? You spent your days in Ithilien so you could hide behind your men. Andreth will have his cavalry and infantry training with proper weaponry, fit for a soldier, one such as Boromir! Not a weakling such as you. You may leave now.”

The words stung him but Faramir ignored them. The slurs against his abilities and courage were Denethor’s favoured ones, even though Faramir had constantly led his men from the front in their forays in the east, and been wounded oft times in the process, enough for Boromir to suggest once that he leave the rangers.

“I know I cannot train him as Boromir would have but I heard him speak of lightbows to -,” he started.

“Quiet!” Denethor commanded, “I want to hear no more of this. Leave now.”

“But – “

“Quiet!”

He heard the slap first before he felt it. His head jerked back from the impact, sending pain shooting up his weak shoulder and neck and a sharp stinging sensation spread over the side of his face. He let out an involuntary sound, as he stared at his father in surprise through suddenly tearing eyes. He had forgotten how hard his father’s hand was. Denethor hadn’t hit him like this for some years now.

“Get out,” Denethor said furiously, “I am tired of your constant indiscipline. Ever you seek to disregard aught I say to you. I will not stand for it longer. Leave Andreth alone. I command it. I will not have him influenced by your weak and craven manner.”

He managed not to reach out and touch his aching cheek until he’d left the room. His face felt tender and painful to touch. There would be a mark, he realised bleakly. He returned to his rooms and sat awhile by the window staring dully out as night fell over the Anduin, and tried to stop his mind from replaying Denethor’s words against his fighting skills or his captaincy. His face still hurt when he lay down to sleep, his head throbbing miserably.

He sighed and curled up in his bed, ignoring the strange emptiness he felt. When he woke the next morning, his pillow was damp and his eyes felt tired and scratchy from prolonged crying.

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78 Comment(s)

More please! It’s a lovely beginning. I’m enjoying the originality of your idea, as well as the tantalizing glimpses into Faramir’s pain.

— Laurel    Monday 7 May 2007, 3:43    #

gasp That’s it?! Please, please please. I’m loving the dynamics you’ve set up thus far. Please continue posting.

— somerset    Monday 7 May 2007, 14:41    #

Minx, you are wonderful. I’ve been a fan of yours for a while, and you do not disappoint. I can’t wait for more!

— sweet baby turtle    Monday 7 May 2007, 17:14    #

i’m hooked! more please?

— traveller    Tuesday 8 May 2007, 23:56    #

Oh, I can’t wait for more. Poor Faramir. I hope Aragorn doesn’t forget him.

— crazy kitty    Wednesday 9 May 2007, 5:21    #

I love how Minx writes Faramir stories. :) Please update Grief and Hope as soon as possible.

— Vicki    Wednesday 16 May 2007, 1:46    #

I’m loving it :)

— Ness    Wednesday 23 May 2007, 17:12    #

Poor Faramir! And the “grief” part is still building up isn’t it? Looking forward for the updates on the “hope” part!
Great writing Minx!

dream.in.a.jar    Wednesday 6 June 2007, 15:38    #

Damn you for catching me in a WIP! Interesting mix so far, especially Andreth.

— Bell Witch    Thursday 7 June 2007, 2:07    #

awwe my poor sweet faramir!hugs

— daze    Wednesday 20 June 2007, 2:23    #

Wonderful! Looking forward to the next part, hopefully soon!
You are the best!
Thanks.

— zion    Monday 25 June 2007, 12:55    #

This story is heartbreaking, I ache for Faramir and it’s like I have this constant knot in my stomach… you write his despair wonderfully, I really feel for him.

I’m really looking forward to reading the rest, I have to say.

— Mouse    Thursday 2 August 2007, 22:01    #

Thanks Mouse. I’m glad you like the fic.:)

Minx    Sunday 5 August 2007, 14:44    #

This story is absolutely wonderful! I’ve read most of your stories, Minx, and I love them all, but this one..This one is really catching me. “Walk No More In The Shadows”, with Iris, is the other one I’m really addicted to, I’ve read both of them many times..I hope you update this one soon. Again, wonderful job!

— Christine    Friday 10 August 2007, 0:21    #

Thanks a ton for such lovely words Christine) I’ll be updating very soon!

Minx    Friday 10 August 2007, 18:59    #

I would like to congratulate you on a story well done. I love the way your wrote Faramir but Denethor is something else. Can;t wait for the next chapter.

— balrog    Sunday 12 August 2007, 9:35    #

I’m absolutely adoring this story, and I’d like to congratulate you too. I’ve read a few of your stories on another site, so imagine my pleasure to come across this little treasure trove! :)
I love how you write Faramir (in this story and the others too). It’s so beautiful. I do enjoy a troubled Faramir.. aren’t we sadists? Bah… I won’t care if you don’t :)

I hope to be able to read more of this soon!!

— Chel    Sunday 18 November 2007, 22:30    #

Are you going to write more? You really, really need too. It’s really good so far; and I love the way you write about Faramir.

— Faramir's Fan    Sunday 6 January 2008, 21:12    #

thank you Faramir’s Fan:) More is in the offing, and should be up soon!

Minx    Monday 25 February 2008, 16:02    #

oh, i can’t wait for the next chapter and for aragorn to find out about faramir’s back.

— Lisa Poole    Wednesday 5 March 2008, 19:41    #

love it; so glad to see you update, have been waiting for it for so long, and i have to say it is worth.

— traveller    Thursday 6 March 2008, 22:37    #

@Lisa: Thank you for reading:) I hop eto have the next chapter up sonner than I had this one up:o) Aragorn and Faramir are sure going to have interesting times ahead!

@traveller: Thank you! And thank you for keeping up with the delay:o I’m delighted you liked it!:)

minx    Sunday 9 March 2008, 10:13    #

I’m enjoying your story very much, and am very glad to have found it. I’ve been poking about your other stories as well and I have to say you’re my favorite Faramir author around. I hope you plan on adding more to this story soon!

— Silverkit    Tuesday 25 March 2008, 3:46    #

Thank you Silverkit for such kind words! I’m delighted you liked this and the other stories as well. Hope to update soon:)

minx    Wednesday 26 March 2008, 15:51    #

I love both characters in this, and am looking forward to some tenderness between them, as I think you write those scenes so well.

— pinbot    Wednesday 16 April 2008, 21:51    #

Thank you pinbot! I’m delighted you’re enjoying the fic, and I do hope to have some reasonably tender scenes coming up some time.

minx    Sunday 27 April 2008, 11:01    #

Can’t wait until you have more for me to read. This new chapter is very well written and now I’m tensed to see what shall happen next.

— Elindil    Sunday 11 May 2008, 19:55    #

I am SO glad that there is a new chapter of this wonderful story! Thanks, I look forward to next one.

— Melogale    Tuesday 3 June 2008, 16:28    #

This latest chapter is so moving, as it captures the sadness of just how little Faramir is willing to settle for, as he doesn’t feel worthy of being loved….

— ebbingnight    Tuesday 3 June 2008, 17:21    #

I am so loving this story. More please whenever you can.

— Kelly    Tuesday 3 June 2008, 21:17    #

What a treat to have another installment by my favorite author! Normally I stay away from WIPs but this one has been irresistible. Please Minx, drop everything else you’re doing and write more!!

— Laurel    Wednesday 4 June 2008, 4:37    #

have i tell you how much i love this story? and this chapter is SO sexy! love it, more pleeeeeeeease!!!

— traveller    Thursday 5 June 2008, 16:11    #

Elindil: thank you:) I’m delighted you liked this chapter. Hope to have more up soon.

Minx    Saturday 7 June 2008, 6:08    #

Melogale: Thank you for reading! I hope to have the next chapter up quicker than this one:)

Minx    Saturday 7 June 2008, 6:11    #

ebbingnight: I’m glad that works. Faramir is indeed willing to settle for very little right now… he doesn’t feel either loved or wanted by anyone:o

Minx    Saturday 7 June 2008, 6:18    #

Kelly: thank you! I do hope to update sooner:)

Minx    Saturday 7 June 2008, 6:18    #

Laurel: thank you for reading:) I understand your relutctance to read WIPs so I really appreciate that you read this. I would love to drop everything and write more of this:)

Minx    Saturday 7 June 2008, 6:18    #

traveller: Thank you for loving this story:) I’m glad this chapter worked. hope to have more soon!

Minx    Saturday 7 June 2008, 6:21    #

I just wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed this story thus far…I can’t wait to see what happens when they get to ithelien (is that how you spell it?) I kinda hope Arwen doesn’t become totally pissed off, but whatever you do I’m sure it will be great!

eringobraugh007    Tuesday 1 July 2008, 5:13    #

I really liked this story, just wanted to let you know! Please continue!! :)

— Haily    Friday 5 December 2008, 5:37    #

thanks Haily. I hope to have a new chapter up soon.

— minx    Thursday 18 December 2008, 21:04    #

I love this story so much! It feels a little like it’s my birthday with each new chapter ;)
Thank you for writing this – you’re the best!

iris    Tuesday 20 January 2009, 17:10    #

As much as I like this story (and have been following it since you first started it), all the emphasis on the “grief” part of “grief and hope” is a bit depressing. Is Faramir forever going to be stuck in a cycle of depression where he is constantly reminded of his “inferiority”? Will he ever show the confidance we know he’s capable of? Will Aragorn/Arwen/anyone else be anything more than indifferent to him? Will he ever get the guts to talk back to Denethor? It’s my personal hope that you will have a positive ending to this story (however long it is ;D), but if not it’s certainly a good worst case senario if events in LOTR didn’t happen as Tolkien originally wrote them. Eagerly awaiting the next chapter!

— Chantal    Tuesday 20 January 2009, 19:01    #

Aaaargh!!!! You’re killing me! Why does Aragorn have to be such a bastard? Why is Arwen such a bitch? And poor wubbly Faramir! Come to me honey! I’ll love you! Sigh. I know you’ll get to the ‘hope’ part soon (right???), just after you finish torturing us all. Glad Arwen is going away for awhile – that’s hopeful right? My big fear is that in naming it ‘Grief and Hope,’ you didn’t make any promises. ‘Hope’ after all doesn’t equal ‘satisfaction.’ Hope can be unfounded, unfulfilled, unmet, unrealized…Please let my fears be for naught. Please?

— Vanwa Hravani    Wednesday 21 January 2009, 17:58    #

Iris: I’m truly delighted you like this:) I hope to give you birthday time again soon:))

— Minx    Thursday 22 January 2009, 19:10    #

Chantal: I’m really delighted you like this story! About the grief aspect being more, and Faramir being less confident… well, part of the thing in this AU is that Fara does not get the same opportunities here that he did otherwise. Here, he’s sort of unimportant, because he has no role really. Denethor is lready steward and he’s not even next in line right now:o But yes, he will probably evoke less indifference later down the story and have a slightly better and more hope-filled time:)

— minx    Thursday 22 January 2009, 19:12    #

Vanwa Hravani: You’ll have to queue up to hug Fara:) I think the hope will get realised a bit, just maybe not right now. Arwen may be away but these two are still very new to each other:o)
Thank you for reading:)

— Minx    Thursday 22 January 2009, 19:16    #

I really enjoy this story, and in the spirit of 5 years of this wonderful site, I thought I’d let you know. There are just oodles of feelings work into this and nothing seems as straightforward as it could be. I do hope you’ll update soon and let us know a bit more about where this story is going!

— Jo    Friday 6 March 2009, 14:05    #

Thank you Jo! Yes, nothing is as it seems here:) I’m very glad that the feelings come out, I felt it would be needed in an AU like this. I do hope to update soon, RL notwithstanding. thank you again!:)

— Minx    Sunday 8 March 2009, 10:54    #

Oh Minx, I don’t know what to say. first I would like you to know how truly in love I am with your stories. This one and Walk no more… stories are my favorite ones. I’m sure you alredy know this and I don’t think that my oppinion will matter, but you are a true writer. You have such a way with building up the tensions and nothing feels puched, everything happens for a reason, not just because. I would also like to thank you for starting this whole website, if you could call it that. hte stories that are here, and mainly yours, have helped me to see that there is still hope and also I now feel that I am aloud to cry. For the first time in almost sixteen years I am crying and it feels so strange and yet so reveling. You have made my sleepless nights easier, and the times I wake up from my nightmares I know that this stories are here to comfort me and take my minds elsewhere. I’m sure you get this types of comment all the time but I just wanted to say Thank you.

— Ingrid    Wednesday 27 May 2009, 13:12    #

I absolutely adore this fic, I hope it gets updated soon!

— Sue    Friday 26 June 2009, 13:56    #

Ingrid, Sue: thank you! I’m sorry for the delay in responding. But, yes,
I am trying to get the next chapter up as soon as I can

— Minx    Saturday 17 October 2009, 11:43    #

I, too, adore this fic and hope that it has not been forgotten.

— pinbot    Saturday 1 May 2010, 19:20    #

I, too, adore this fic and hope that it has not been forgotten.

I second that! ;)

iris    Sunday 2 May 2010, 13:45    #

Me three :)

— Ingrid    Sunday 2 May 2010, 21:24    #

Pinbot, Iris, Ingrid: Not forgotten… but I did get a little stuck last year in RL, sooo… but I am in the middle of the next chapter, so here’s hoping:)

— Minx    Monday 3 May 2010, 18:37    #

Hurray! What an amazing surprise. Thanks for the satisfying, if still very painful on Faramir’s part, update.

— pinbot    Wednesday 16 June 2010, 20:51    #

I’m echoing Pinbot’s hurray … I keep re-reading this story so I’m very excited to see an update.

— Mira Took    Thursday 17 June 2010, 7:02    #

Breaking our hearts all over again, are we? Lovely to see this update at last!

— ebbingnight    Thursday 17 June 2010, 15:53    #

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!

— fëawen    Thursday 17 June 2010, 19:49    #

Pibbot, Mira, Ebbingnight, Feawen: Thank you all so much for continuing to read despite my awful slowness! Poor fara is definitely going through the wringer here… hands him around for hugs and kisses

— Minx    Monday 21 June 2010, 19:07    #

More please! This is the best fanfic ever! Please don’t end it :)
I like Denethor-Faramir scenes
maybe u should write more about those two
it’s nice the way u write about how denethor torture his younger son

— A    Thursday 15 July 2010, 7:58    #

A: thank you! I’m delighted you’re liking it. there will be more Denethor-Faramir scenes, never fear:) Denethor has quite a bit he wants to say to his son!

— Minx    Monday 19 July 2010, 17:33    #

This story is wonderful! The way all of the characters interact with each other is extremely believable and the slow progression of their relationships is very realistic. I’m a little bit in love with your writing style.

I do hope you haven’t forgotten about this because I’d love to find out what happens next. :)

— Isabel    Monday 28 November 2011, 23:34    #

Isabel: I’m so sorry, I missed out o your feedback earlier. thank yoiu for your lovely words… I’m really delighted you like the way it flows. I haven’t forgotten about it, I’m just looking for a long run of quiet time :o sigh hopefully will get some soon!

Minx    Thursday 26 January 2012, 11:10    #

YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I NEED YOU TO CONTINUE THIS. I need Aragorn to understand how he’s affecting poor Faramir, and I need Faramir to gain some closure on this whole ordeal and stand up for himself in Denethor’s presence. Please tell me that you aren’t giving up on this amazing and complex story. It’s paining me to see Faramir go through all of this.

— Fan    Saturday 26 January 2013, 2:28    #

Fan – Thank you so much for reading! I’m sooo sorry it’s been on hold for so long. I sort of reached a block on it, got stuck with other stuff in RL and then got blocked further more. It is as you say, a little complex so returning to it is taking me very long :( But I’m trying to finish it, I haven’t given up on it…. I’m hoping soon I’ll be able to unblock myself and progress. Thank you for the support…

Minx    Tuesday 29 January 2013, 14:10    #

Ooh!! “Completely smutty” is what you promised, and completely smutty is what you delivered! But it’s not just straight-up, mechanical porn smut — or at least not for F’s part. I love the bitter sweet longing; F’s so happy to get just this, but at the same time so desperate for more.
Great stuff — as always. Thank you so much for sharing!

iris    Monday 22 April 2013, 20:34    #

Tsk tsk tsk, bad Aragorn playing pranks when he´s awaited so desperately! (slap) ;) And apart from that: Beautiful work! And now I have to go thinking about the more juicy complicate parts…

— raven22372    Tuesday 23 April 2013, 9:22    #

Thanks :) I love this story. I am waitinng the next.

— katiedaly    Tuesday 23 April 2013, 15:34    #

Сan’t wait for more. For some mysterious reasons absolutely in love with your deprived and unfulfilled Faramir, though the state you are putting him in makes my heart aches. Pain is so close to pleasure:)

— LID    Thursday 25 April 2013, 10:42    #

Iris – thank you!:) I’m so glad all of that worked…:) hugs

Raven – yes, he’s baaad :) I’m very glad you liked it, and happy thinking juicy thoughts:)

Katiedaly – thank you ever so much for continuing to read despite my tardiness. i’m delighted you liked it!

LID – Thank you:) I’m glad all of that worked! It’s always nice to come across a fellow lover of deprived and unfulfilled Faramir :)

Minx    Thursday 25 April 2013, 17:22    #

Dear Minx, I first came across this site and this story several years ago, yet I never left a comment despite the way this particular work moved me and drew me in from the very first sentence. So now that I’ve happened to find this site again, I thought it was high time I actually told you how much I admire your writing and how beautifully I think you capture everything you set out to do :)

It’s been truly heartachingly wonderful to reread this and even more so to discover that since then you’ve actually written some more chapters and seem to never have entirely forgotten about this, when no doubt it must be difficult to get back into the story and its emotional frame of mind time and again. Faramir’s sorrow and tentative hope, too often quashed as not to get lost in the inevitable despair of unfulfilled longing, his grief over both his brother’s death and the seemingly ever-growing impossibility of being a family with his father and nephew, his wish to find a place – any place, really – to belong and feel secure of, the bittersweet tenderness of his observations and the perpetual struggle to not totally accept perceived shortcomings as his own, his curiosity and need to learn of other cultures and the wish to not give up – all these aspects of Faramir’s personality are quite palpable and render your portrayal of him as believable and touching and human as can possibly be done. I really enjoy that there is far more to Faramir than morose and unhappy feelings, that underneath it all he is still the scholar, the gentle soul and faithful integrity.

But Aragorn, too, is remarkably complex. It’s amazing, I think, that with these few glimpses you’ve given us we still know him to be a stern but kind ruler, a loving husband and father, a grieving friend and, of course, the ranger of old. He, too, seems so very believably human in that he succumbs to the ever-present comparison of Faramir to his dead and beloved brother, even though he still tries to see beyond that and reconcile what he sees with what Boromir told him about his brother. His bemusement at Faramir’s wish to touch and be intimate in more ways than he is used to with men also gives his character another interesting aspect. Heartbreaking as it is to feel Faramir’s resigned acceptance and his decision to be content with whatever affection Aragorn may offer him, Aragorn’s obvious different views and feelings make sense in themselves and show him to be a person still open to grow and learn.

I also appreciate how you write Denethor. It’s nice to see him as more than the stereotypical abuser. Rather, it seems indeed as if his violent and abusive behaviour towards his son stems from his own unabated grief, his inability to come to terms with everything that happened and maybe even as part of the madness the palantír stirred in him.

The last point, however, I’d like to mention, and the one which makes this story, in my opinion, even better than your character portrayals already do, is the many questions these chapters keep bringing up. What, I wonder, will be Lady Idril’s part in this? Is Denethor finally looking for a new love? Is she just a friend or will she become one more reason for Faramir to feel left out of the family? May Denethor in time even wish to remarry and want his son out of his home? Or could she be someone to bring Denethor to at least view his son in a more positive light, even if he may never come to realize his worth?

What about Arwen? What do her glances and inscrutable looks mean? Is she aware of Aragorn’s intimacy with other men? Has he told her about Boromir? Does she read both Faramir and her husband’s hearts more shrewdly than they do themselves? Does she perceive a threat? Is there perhaps more to her comments and does she, as well, wonder about the Steward’s family?

When will Andreth start to ask questions? How much does he already know? Will Faramir’s financial worries become more urgent? When will the King finally catch on to just how much wrong there is about Faramir and his father’s relationship? And what of the Northern rangers? Is there too little communication between them and their Southern kin for word to reach Aragorn just how much of a capable captain Faramir used to be? Does he even know how Faramir helping Frodo and Sam on their way in Ithilien changed the outcome of the war? So many questions … :)

So, thank you so much for writing and sharing this! This truly is one of the most compelling stories I’ve ever read and I’m really glad I remembered this site, after all.

Have a happy New Year and may the muse visit you again some time in the future, even if it may be another year from now :)

— Loreley    Monday 13 January 2014, 23:00    #

@Loreley: Thank you for taking the time to leave this review and such a detailed one at that. It really made my day to read this, and also made me wish I could be a lot more regular in updating this fic. I’m sorry to take so long to respond.

Thank you for such lovely words. I’m only too glad there were some new chapters for you to read. I have been undeniably slow on this one. I’m heartened that Faramir comes across as you have written, with his wish to find a place he belongs to and his thirst for learning. He is certainly still a scholar and in this particular story I think gentle is one word that describes him very well. It is all the more a contrast to Denethor’s anger at him.

I am extremely glad too that Aragorn comes across as complex and human. He is used to a different kind of male friendship especially when it is more sexual than platonic – one where the friend sees himself as an equal and has the same expectations out of their intimacy that Aragorn has. Faramir unfortunately enough does not quite see him as an equal – he is too overwhelmed by Aragorn’s rank and achievements and also cowed down by his perceived shortcomings. He is also cowed down by a given cultural context where he may not allow a non-platonic relationship to progress beyond a point simply because it is not the done thing. And Aragorn doesn’t really understand right now how much he means to Faramir. In my mind while Faramir has fallen headlong in love with Aragorn, Aragorn himself has not really reached a stage where he thinks of himself in love with anyone other than Arwen whom he has loved for years. Even with Boromir, while he recollects him vividly, it is more from a sense of brotherhood and the joint tribulations of their journey together. With Faramir he has no such linkages and no such experiences, but as you rightly point out he may still learn what it could be like to slowly fall in love with another person.

Denethor is indeed still coming to terms with everything. He would rather concentrate on Andreth and to him Faramir is possibly just a distraction and an unpleasant reminder of what he lost.

As to your questions, well, Lady Idril will have a brief role and may indeed steer Denethor to some direction. Arwen will have something to say of Aragorn’s intimacies in the next few chapters. Andreth is aware that there is strife, but he is young and like most young men he’s not really cognizant of what happens in the lives of others. He grieves for Boromir and misses him and he is fond of Denethor so may care of what he goes through. But with Faramir his relationship is undeveloped. I like to think Denethor involuntarily made it so, by keeping Andreth close and encouraging him to be more like Boromir and less like Faramir. Aragorn knows at the back of his mind that Faramir has once been a capable captain. But he is for now more concerned about the now. And Faramir’s injuries have reduced his physical capabilities. What Aragorn and others need to realise is that hi mental acuity for now remains strong.

I wish you a very happy new year too and thank you again greatly for your lovely review. It encourages me to be a little more diligent in getting back to this. I have been very distracted by RL but I do want to work towards finishing this. :)

Minx    Monday 20 January 2014, 9:41    #

update soon, please!!!!!!

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— Nimrodel    Tuesday 15 April 2014, 0:20    #

More than a year later, and hello again!

Recently I’ve had some time to come back here and re-read not only this favourite but also some of your other stories. It was great to find that this story is still as emotionally captivating to me as it was the first and all the other times after I read it, when sometimes I find that I’ve changed so much that I wonder what exactly it was about a story that got me hooked. Your writing, and “Grief and Hope” in particular, however, still have the same pull they used to, perhaps even more so than before – after all, so much time has been spent wondering and asking questions and hoping Faramir might yet get the happy ending he deserves that it feels I’m more invested than I would be if I’d already had all the answers. Finding a positive side to a long time in-between updates :) Still true, though.

In comparison to your other longer works, though, I feel that this story is more balanced somehow. At least, I get the impression that all the characters are more complex here than in your other stories, making their development and substance both more believable and real to me as a reader. I’ve enjoyed all the different takes on Faramir you’ve done, yet this Faramir is “more” to me in a way than the Faramirs in your other writings. There is a very delicate subtlety in your portrayal of him that makes him more tangible and accessible. Please don’t get me wrong, I, like most of the readers on this site, love hurt/comfort stories and so don’t mind a more subdued and cowered Faramir, but I still really like the quiet strength Faramir has here, even more so than in “The King and the Ranger”. Plus, I’m a huge fan of Denethor (flaws and all, to me one of the most fascinating characters in LotR), and as I’ve said before, I like what you’ve made of him here.

So while, of course, I would love to see this story continued sometime in the future (and who doesn’t know RL taking more time than we’d like?), what you’ve written so far stands well enough on its own, and I’d like to say thanks again for sharing this much with us readers already. Some unfinished works are still so much more satsifying and moving to read than many finished stories, and as long as I can come back here and enjoy all the splendid work, I’ll be content and happy with what you’ve accomplished so far. Great work!

— Loreley    Sunday 19 April 2015, 17:52    #

At least once a year I come back to this truly wonderful, beautifully written story. Sometimes I wonder whether or not I misremember its compelling tone, fascinating characterizations or moving story line – silly me! From the very first sentence I’ve been drawn in without fail every single time. I don’t know if you still ever visit this site or read these comments, but I sincerely hope you do. Thank you so much for writing and sharing this – and for leaving it online! I hope to re-read this many times still to come :)

— Loreley    Saturday 19 October 2019, 17:46    #

In recent years I haven’t read much LotR fanfiction, but this work is one I still keep coming back to time and again … Grief and hope, indeed! And not just for Faramir, I think. Despite and because of his role, I would still love to see Denethor truly happy again as well. Although I fear that true happiness may forever elude him, after having lost his wife and his eldest son as well as, yes: his hope!, no matter that here he has a grandson to dote on, well, as far as one such as Denethor would ever dote on anyone … Arwen remains as mysterious and unreadable to me as ever in this story. Such an interesting character! Does she sense her husband’s budding curiosity and fear what may come of it? Or does it run even deeper, does she glimpse more of both Faramir’s and her husband’s thoughts and hearts than either of them do themselves? Also, I wonder, does or will Faramir ever feel guilty for – potentially – coming between his king and queen … and possibly depriving Eldarion of his parents’ happiness? As many times as I’ve read these chapters now, it has actually just this time occurred to me that, thus far, we haven’t really seen Aragorn the father here. Will Faramir soon meet his successor as Captain of the Ithilien rangers? Will his men ever play their own part in ackowledging their captain’s greatness and strong will when standing against the darkness? What will they say to their northern kin in defense of their steadfast and gentle leader? Such a long time and still so many questions keep coming :) Thank you again so much! For this lovely and bittersweet work, for the time you spent on this and, as always, for sharing it with us …

— Loreley    Monday 17 May 2021, 19:26    #

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